Comments November thru December 2003
30 Nov. 2003
I just finished your article on the Mogen David, I praise G-d for
your bold stand and obedience in this matter. Through His precepts
I get understanding, therefore I hate every false way.
I am not ethnically Jewish, but am a 'grafted in' Gentile through the
precious blood of Yeshua. I recently left my position as worship
leader at an evangelical church because I felt I could no longer in
good conscience continue going along to get along with things such as
the pagan holidays, secret rapture belief, and warmongering
spirit/inability to separate America from the Kingdom Of God...I left
the Assembly Of God where I was leading worship before that because
of the merger I perceived taking place with Catholicism through
things like watering down of the doctrinal statement, Promise
Keepers, ECT statement, etc.
I have been attending Shabbat on Friday evenings at a nearby
Messianic Jewish congregation, but today was my first Saturday
service. At about the midway point, the large cabinet positioned in
the corner of the platform was opened and what I later learned to be
scrolls was removed, but at first was rolled up and covered and
appeared to be topped with some sort of golden crown. One of the
brothers walked the aisles of the sanctuary, children following, and
I noticed people kissing the roll, of kissing their hand and touching
the roll, or touching it with their Bibles. When he passed by me I
did not do it, although I felt awkward, as though I was expected to,
but I have made up my mind I will not follow along blindly anymore,
unless I can do so with a clear conscience, and as you said in the
article about the Mogen David, to be able to 'biblically state to
anyone, 'why I do the religious, ceremonial, symbolic things that I
do.' Is this more of a "tradition"...do I do a disservice to the
Lord by not participating? I love His word and try to honor it by
living it out, and hiding it in my heart. I would appreciate your
comments on this.
Thank you and stay encouraged...
Shalom: May His Peace surround you today and His Wisdom lead you into His Ways.
Thank you very much. I agree wholeheartedly with you about getting
understanding through God's precepts. And I am very glad that you
have left the old church are charting out new Waters with His Spirit.
Kissing the Ark or the Torah Scroll (five books of Moses), is
certainly a tradition in Judaism. I remember when I was young that if
you dropped a religious book, you picked it up off the floor and
kissed it. Out of respect for the book and it's contents. And it
didn't necessarily have to be a religious book.
The kissing of the Torah Scroll is supposed to be, and is in many
instances, a sign of affection for God's Word. It is a tradition but
tradition is not necessarily evil. Only those traditions that nullify
the Word of God are evil. There are good traditions though. The
Jewish tradition of having four cups of wine for the Passover Meal,
is where we get Communion. Nothing in Scripture for the original
Passover (Ex. 12), spoke of having wine. But it was there that night
for Yeshua to give to His students (disciples; talmidim in Hebrew,
students). So we have to discern if the tradition is evil or not. If
not, then it can stand. (Not many in the Church realize that half of
Communion comes from a Jewish tradition associated with Passover. And
that the other half of Communion comes from the Jewish Holy Feast of
Passover; the bread should be unleavened (matzah: Ex. 12:8), and I
imagine, originally was. Today of course, any bread will suffice but
if it's leavened bread, what the person is saying is that Christ's
Body was full of sin; 1st Cor. 5:1-8.)
There is nothing in Scripture where God commands the kissing of the
scroll and here we get into undefined waters. What I mean by that is
that it's obviously not a sin to kiss or to touch, a Torah scroll or
a Bible, showing one's affection for God and Torah through it. But is
it 'kosher'? How does God view it? I know from experience that I've
seen some people go overboard, going crazy in their fervor (usually
non-Messianic Jews in traditional synagogues), in that they are
obviously expressing too much 'affection' for it. But perversion of
something by a group or a person, does not mean that it's actually
In my early time as shepherd of the Seed of Abraham in Tulsa, OK, we
would walk the Scroll around. It was a way of elevating the Word of
God in the midst of the community, in a physical way.
The Bible, in many evangelical circles, is highly regarded, as it
should be, as God's Word. Walking the Scroll around, the precursor to
the Bible, I think is just an expression of this esteem. It's a way
of thanking God for His Word.
The kissing aspect relates to how we as human beings, show emotion to
those we love. As with any tradition it can get perverted but again,
where is the tradition in God's eyes?, and who is doing it?
There are many things in Judaism, and unfortunately in Messianic
Judaism, as much of the time, Messianic Jews, in wanting 'to be
Jewish' and be seen as Jewish by their non-Messianic brethren, have
taken whole chunks of tradition and walked in it themselves. This is
one of them. It's hard for me to put my finger on any pagan or
perverse origins of this practice. But there are some, like the
wearing of the kipa/yarmulkah (traditional head covering), that is
very pagan. Or studying or taking things from Kabbalah, or some/much
of rabbinic teaching (which is often anti-Messiah and filled with
Kabbalah. For more on these please see my articles:
As for the kissing of the Scroll/Word of God, I think the best thing
for you would be to just let the Spirit of Yeshua lead you in this
And if you have any other concerns/questions, etc., please feel free
to let me know,
1 Dec 2003
I am so grateful to have been sent your email - which began with the
explanation of the Star of David. It broke my heart. But I think we
will take down the flag in our Congregation Meeting room; do you
suppose a new flag, say with the Lion of Judah might be forthcoming
some day? Or at least a new flag of some kind? Your balance and sense
of integrity in your writings blesses me!
Thank you, Carol.
When we learn the Truth, His Truth, it may very well break our
hearts. I know miine was struck when I first learned the truth about
the Star of David. I couldn't believe it but I knew it was true. Out
went many things with the star on it, to the trash. I couldn't, in
godly conscience, have them when I was supposed to be an example, a
living example, of His Truth. Truth and deception are not good
partners. And when found out, one has to go.
Good for you! To take down the flag of the Star in your
congregational meeting room. We used to have a beautiful flag of
Israel, many years ago, before I learned of the Star but when I
learned of it, it had to go to.
There are flags with the Lion of Judah on it. They are flags of
Jerusalem. It's the city's emblem and it's beautiful. With the
Wailing/Western Wall of the Temple Mount in the background.
Thank you again for your email. It tells me that you desire Yeshua
more than the traditions of men that nullify Who He is.
May His Glory Shine forth from you,
4 Dec 2003
I have benefited much from some of your articles. I have printed them
out and shared them with people who wanted the truth on such issues
as the "Star of David" and the "Kipa".
I have been studying about the Talmud. I have read your article
concerning the Talmud. It is very good, but one thing troubles me,
you stated" as helpful as it might be on some occasions and as
destructive as it might be on others, it is not divinely
authoritative", now the thing that bothers me is that you said it
could be helpful on some occasions. I do not agree, the Talmud should
never be considered helpful, not on any occasion. Have you studied
about this book, in depth?
It states the most blasphemous things about our Saviour and Redeemer,
Yeshua. It really does "make void the laws of God". It is full of
perversion, racism and demonology. I have been studying this topic
for a month, along with several friends. We have done much research
and my conclusion is, anyone that proclaims they follow Yeshua, our
Messiah, should not have anything to do with the anti-Christ ,
wicked, perverse, evil writings contained in the Talmud.
I like your article, you bring forth much truth about the Talmud, but
I would hope you would take a deeper look into this subject and
perhaps would retract your statement in the last paragraph of the
article. This statement infers that at times the Talmud might be
helpful. I must disagree in love. IT is truly a book that no believer
should ever refer to. You are right, it is not divinely
authoritative, it is inspired by Satan himself. My heart goes out to
all of the Jewish people who are held in bondage to the Talmudic
teachings of the rabbis, who exalt the Talmud above the Torah, and
also to the "Messianics" who listen to Messianic teachers quote the
Talmud, like it is just a "historical book" or a Biblical commentary.
(It actually makes null and void the Laws of YAH.) When in reality,
if they studied, and knew what was contained in it, they would be
sickened. I think that some who quote the Talmud, are probably just
quoting someone else's statements, and they, personally don't really
know much about the perverse, racism, and sexual depravity contained
within it's pages.
Avram, my point is, I think you wrote a fine article. I want to print
it out and share it with others because of all the truth you bring
forth, but......... the statement in the last paragraph saying "as
helpful as it might be on some occasions"........ I just cannot agree
with that ... any book that says such things, especially about our
Messiah Yeshua, could never be helpful.
I truly hope I have not offended you. I am about to read your article
on the Virgin Birth, I have glanced over it, but want to read it
slowly. I am very glad you have written this because there are many
"Messianics" denying the Virgin Birth and the deity of our Messiah
Yeshua. I really do appreciate your labors, and your work is a
blessing to me and those I share it with.
With love in our Messiah,
Janet G. , Your Sister in Yeshua
Shalom: May His Peace surround you today and His Hand be upon you to
lead you into all His Truth.
Thank you Janet. I appreciate your desire for God's Truth and also to
bring to my attention a possible need for correction. Before I get
into that though, I like to say that I hope you find the Virgin Birth
helpful. I know that a number of believers, Jews and Gentiles, have
been deceived into questioning and denying the miraculous conception
of Yeshua in Miryam's womb. That's too bad for them.
As for your critique of the Talmud, it is not a book per se but many
volumes (approx. 35 by Soncino in English), with about two and a half
million words covering Jewish law and superstition and most
everything in-between) written by many different people over 500
years or more. And that's a major point. It's not written by one or
two authors with a particular viewpoint on demons or Yeshua or
perversion, etc. It's more like a gigantic commentary with both good
On the one hand you say that you've been studying it for about a
month now but on the other you say that one shouldn't read it. So I
imagine that you're studying 'about' it, from a writing that has a
particular slant against it (for it's perverse writing on Yeshua,
etc.). But here, all you're getting is the evil. With just that
understanding, I too would be against the reading or use of it.
The few things written about Yeshua (which they call Yeshua; an
acronym for: May His Name be Blotted Out), however evil and gross
they are, and some of them are really gross, only occupy an extremely
tiny space compared to the entire work.
What I meant by the Talmud being helpful has to do with its recording
of things like the Temple rites and rituals which cast tremendous
light on some of the sayings and meanings of Yeshua (like His call to
those who thirst (Jn. 7:37ff), at the water drawing ceremony for
Sukote: Feast of Tabernacles, with all it's implications of Messiah
and what Messiah would give Israel: Living Waters).
You wrote about the Talmud that, 'It actually makes null and void the
Laws of YAH', but are you suggesting that all the laws of Yahveh are
made void by the Talmud? And if not, which ones? If making void a law
of Yahveh was a criteria for not reading something, most Christian
literature couldn't be read as it either states or implies that the
Law of Moses is done away with.
I'm currently reading a book about a tremendous man of God called
John G. Lake. I am in awe of the incredible things that the Holy
Spirit did through this man. But when it comes to his theology on
say, the Sabbath or the Torah, he was as much in the dark as most any
Christian in his time (he died in 1935). The reason I brought this up
is to say that when it comes to things I know that aren't true, like
Lake's understanding of the Sabbath, I realize that, as powerful as
he was in the Spirit, he didn't have any Light on the subject of
God's true Sabbath. But I glean what I can from him. The same is true
of the Talmud. There are some beautiful things in it and some very
gross things in it (that have absolutely nothing to do with Yeshua),
and some things that are run of the mill. I don't study it per se but
find it extremely useful in presenting Messiah Yeshua to those in the
Jewish community that hold it in some esteem. The ancient Rabbis
before Yeshua had some keen insight about a Messiah dying for their
sins (Sanhedrin 98a/b), which they called Messiah the Son of Joseph,
out of understanding Is. 53 and the Suffering Servant of Yahveh being
rejected by Israel (Is. 53:4-5). You might want to read the latest
Jewish Newsletters (# 28 & #29) and see all the good things that the
Talmud had to say about Messiah, and how perfect it fits Yeshua.
Now, if the Talmud was all superstition, like Kabbalah, that's
another story. I know that there are too many ignorant Jewish leaders
and people in the Messianic community that are teaching and using
Kabbalah and not realizing it's Babylonian witchcraft in Jewish
I'm also not in favor of studying Talmud per se, but it's nice to
know certain passages that are helpful to us, whether for
understanding more about Yeshua or being able to present him from an
ancient rabbinic point of view, or just to know how the procedure for
the morning sacrifice went about (as in A. Edersheim's, The Temple
and it's Ministry, where there are a number of Talmudic cites noted),
Again, I thank you and note your concern. I hope you can understand